
The U.S. public celebration of women’s history began in 1978 as “Women’s History Week” . In honor of this, I thought about who would be appropriate as a role model for this occasion. It became clear to me that Kathy Olevsky and her many accomplishments in both life and the field of Martial Arts would be appropriate.
A while back, I wrote about a PHP programmer who was an expert at at a number of the Martial Arts in “Not all Geeks are Wimps“. Now for the rest of the story.
This bloggerview is with Kathy Olevsky, wife of the geek and one of (if not) the highest ranking female martial artists in the world, and Martial Arts Hall of Fame inductee. Until this century, the Martial Arts have been dominated by males both in practice and teaching, and sometimes by culture. “Mrs. O.” broke a lot of ground (and ice) for women both personally and professionally. There are many who have studied under her, both male and female. I am one of them and have admired many aspects such as her contribution to the art, empowering women to take care of themselves and giving back to the community.
Why this interview is important covers a range of topics. The Olevsky’s run a highly successful dojo at Karate International together, but contribute to it differently as she runs the business while he is the head Sensei. I’ve helped Mrs. O. with the grading of students at Meredith College and it became clear that her giving back to the community is a very important attribute that all should strive for. Further, she is responsible for “keeping” many of the kata’s (forms) for the KI dojo’s so that we all perform them accurately and consistently. She is featured on “How things work” for Karate. Here is a link to her breaking roughly 20 inches of concrete.
It also became apparent that just as a husband and wife contribute differently to the upbringing of a child, so it is to how they run a business and contribute to the various levels of students they have taught.
I asked some specific questions about these topics and why women should consider the martial arts, and I got some pretty decisive answers. I think you’ll enjoy the read.
What is your background (ranks) and how did you get started in Karate?
I am an 8th Degree Black Belt in Karate, 2nd Degree Black Belt in Jujitsu and a Brown Belt in Judo. I started in Karate immediately after returning to Raleigh, after college. (this was in 1979)
Is it true that you are the highest ranking female in the Martial Arts?
I was inducted into the Martial Arts Hall of Fame as the first Female Master instructor 2001. I am not sure if I am the highest at this time, but I was when I was inducted.
Is it true that you got knocked out on your black belt test? How did that happen?
I actually got knocked out on my Purple Belt test (which is the same as our Green Belt with brown tip). I had finished my test, and was doing something called the “Line Walk”. A long time ago, Karate International had a practice where after you completed your skills test for the ranks of Purple Belt and above, you walked a line of all of your class mates, and got their approval before being promoted. If they did not salute to you in the “line walk” that meant they were not convinced you should be that new belt level. They had the right to step out and spar you for 3 minutes. If you convinced them in 3 minutes that you were worthy, they saluted you back. If you did not convince them, then essentially you failed your test that day. On my Purple Belt test, I was the first female in the dojo to have that rank, and probably because of that I had 5 different people challenge me. The last one was a 1st Brown Belt with a great wheel kick. He kicked me in the jaw and knocked me out. I got up shortly after and was saluted by him and completed my line walk and got my belt.
I took my Black Belt test with 2 cracked ribs. Needless to say, back then, as a woman, I had to prove myself, and the contact and control of the situation was not as customer service oriented as it is today!
How did you get started in the business end of Martial Arts?
Mr. O and I bought the Raleigh Karate International school from Mr. Jan Wellendorf in 1979, and basically Mr. O and I both shared the business of running the school for a few years. Then it became apparent that I was a little better at it and enjoyed it more, so I took over most of the business responsibility for the school.
What are the biggest challenges of the business?
Well, first of all, Karate has never been very mainstream. Martial arts are very acceptable now, but for many years, it was not considered a “normal” activity for people to get involved in. While gymnastics schools flourished and enjoyed a great reputation, Karate was always a struggle to be treated as “typical or normal”. Now the challenges of being in the business relate to the expenses and pitfalls of being in a small business. We are not that different from any small business now.
How do you split up the duties with Mr. O?
Well, from our early years, I ran the business and Mr. O was responsible for the teaching aspects of the school. We have since come to divide the instructional portion of it now that I am higher in rank. As an 8th dan, I now have the responsibility of reviewing katas for advanced rank Black Belts for their promotions. SO, now I manage the employees and all of the aspects of the business, and some of the instructional duties.
What are the best parts about the business of teaching Martial Arts?
The best parts of being in this business, is that I go to work everyday to a job that I enjoy. Most people practice the martial arts as a hobby. It is not lost on me, that I get to practice my hobby everyday of my life.
What recommendations would you give to someone who was thinking about opening/running a dojo?
The foundation for a good dojo or martial arts school is the support you receive from others. Small businesses fail every day. The ones that survive have mentors in the business who can help them survive and flourish. The Martial Arts Industry offers many opportunities for dojo owners these days. All you have to do is be willing to take the advice and support of others. There are countless educational opportunities. Success is determined by those who seek it. Failure in this industry comes to those who think they know it all and don’t seek the help and advice of others.
What is your favorite Mr. O. story?
Oh, I have so many! Hmmmm….Mr. Wellendorf loves telling this story. When Mr. O and I were newly married, he tried to sneak up on me once. I was already asleep for the night. He tells me that he spent 45 minutes crawling down the hallway, making as little noise as possible. When he crept into the bedroom with his stealth like ninja skills, I leaned over the end of the bed and asked him what he was doing. He says he was very disappointed that I noticed him before he could surprise me. Mr. Wellendorf suggested to him never to test my “sixth sense” skills again.
Authors note: I heard this same story from a very frustrated Mr. O. He said he crept up to the room, not moving sometimes for minutes thinking the entire time that he was unnoticed. Needless to say, he was quite surprised and frustrated when she caught him.
How are the Martial Arts good for Females?
Here it comes…my soapbox! Women in today’s world have been taught to take control of all aspects of their lives. They are taught to do well in school, to go to college, to get great jobs and to be great mothers. They are taught to do it all and multi task so that they do it all well! It infuriates me that these same professional women, who would spare nothing to achieve their goals, leave out a very primary skill in their lives. They allow someone else to have control of the “safety” of their lives. They depend on law enforcement and life partners or parents or brothers to protect them, instead of considering self defense just as important in their lives as their education. SO, Martial Arts are good for all people. Women are getting the message, but it has been a slow process. What could be better for a woman than to feel that she was in total control of her life? Why leave out this very important aspect of her education?
Author: At this point, I considered all of the things that I’ve observed about Mrs. O over the years and giving back to the community was one of them. It is something which many could and should do, but don’t. She is well noted for teaching at two local female colleges as well as donating time and talent to the community. I first noticed an inkling of this when I and a number of other black belts helped grade students in her Karate class at Meredith. She was not only helping the students, but helping us, the black belts learn regarding how to properly test students fairly and accurately, which has different requirements based on belt level.
Why is it important to give back to others?
As Mahatma Gandhi said so well, “You must be the change you wish to see in the world”. I live by this. I have taught my children and my students. You can’t sit around and wait for things to get better, you must do things to make them better.
In what ways have you given back to the community?
I have chosen to work in the Fitness arena. In the 1994 I was appointed by the County Commissioners to the Wake County Council in Fitness and Health. After 3 months on the Council, I became the chairperson. I remained in that position for them for many years. In the 90’s and the early 2000’s we worked very hard to convince our populous that Fitness had to be a priority as there was an epidemic of sedentary lifestyle that was beginning to result in alarming obesity trends in our children. We did many grass roots efforts to communicate this problem and this need to change. In 1999 we even developed a website, which, although commonplace now, was not an easy project at the time. We met with the Wake County Board of Education and the County Commissioners on many occasions to get their help on initiatives we launched. We helped create programs in the schools and projects in the community, as well as lobbying for policy change that would help increase physical activity overall. Again, at the time, this was like climbing uphill constantly, even though now, it is an easy topic to discuss and work towards.
This Council lead to many other councils and projects. I have been on the Wake County School Health Advisory council for many years. As a volunteer, I worked with BeActive NC, NC Amateur Sports, the Governor’s Council on Fitness and Health as a local liason, Action for Healthy Kids, and many state wide initiatives for physical fitness. I appeared on television many times and wrote many articles for the media.
I continue this quest to improve Fitness and Physical Activity levels in our community, because I believe in it’s importance, even if I don’t see the results in my own lifetime.
Why do you teach at Meredith and other non Karate International venues, and how is it rewarding to you?
I actually just put in my plans to retire from Meredith after teaching there for 18 years. This year, 2008,will be my final semester. I enjoyed teaching at both Peace and Meredith Colleges, for the same reason. I wanted to affect the lives of these young women who were students. I wanted to be the female model in their lives that taught them it was good to be strong and in control of their lives. Over my years there, I learned of many students who had suffered various forms of abuse. I was the first person to ever make them believe they could be in charge of their own personal safety and success. These were good enough reasons to keep teaching forever. I only retire from the colleges at this point, because I have a protege who can effectively take my place and I will have more time to devote to my teaching in my school, my family and my community causes.For many years, we have offered the “Take Control” program, free of charge to our community. I can only take claim to being the author of this program. Now, there are so many Karate International Black Belts certified to teach this course, I rarely have to go out into the community and teach it. They are all great at it, and are wonderful at volunteering their time to teach the program. I do teach it a few times a year, in house. We allow all of our students to bring in any of their friends and family members, for free, to take the two our version of this Self Defense Course. It is always a packed house.